I moved away; partly due to the fact that I had a hard time accepting that this city still lives in 1960.  There were repeated incidents of this officer using his K-9 as a weapon against the citizens of West Memphis; as well as using excessive force.  I was shocked that Crawfordsville is still seperated by railroad tracks. Everyone is supposed to know their place, and the good ol boy system still works.  I had a good jos accross the bridge, but 4 years of this way of life was too much.  I removed my children from this atmosphere and moved 5 states away; where people know it is 2007 and killing children (even if by accident) incurs serious consequence.  The only evidence necessary is the boy is dead and the bullet was from Sammis's gun. If it matters: I'm Caucasian.

I applaud the decision of the State of Arkansas!

Bartlettman,

movedaway03 holds the high moral ground on us.  He has moved away because of all the violent whites in this area.  I feel unsafe walking down my street.

I bet there are literally hundreds of witnesses to this shooting now!  The number grows everyday!  As a matter of fact I think I remember seeing it,  it's coming back now .  .  .  .  .

Hey so was I!

I saw the boy with a gun in his hand, he aimed it and Sammis fired.  When he was shot the gun flew out of his hand and was picked up by a owl, wearing gang colors and a Sharpton for Prez t-shirt!!

I was shocked that Crawfordsville is still seperated by railroad tracks.

Why should they move the tracks??

You are also forgetting the point that this child was out late at night, unsupervised, pointing a gun at a police officer.  Toy or no toy, that officer had to make a split second decision based on what he could see.  What he saw was a person pointing a gun at him and he shot him.  It's a sad, sad thing for his mother to live with, but where was she?  Why wasn't this boy home in bed?  And I have sadness for that officer who must feel terrible that he killed a young boy.  There is plenty of blame to go around, but these idiots like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson who have nothing better to do than to come down here to incite the black people to march and spew hatred should be ashamed of themselves.  Why aren't they helping people to educate themselves, get off drugs, get jobs, and be better Christians?  They just perpetuate the problems and don't help to solve anything.  

mnshadow53,

Not sure if you know how I operate, but sarcasm is my claim to fame.  I do agree with you completely!

Now sit back and watch how few understand sarcasm!

Timmy boy, did you see the owl too?  He was pearched on the back of the pitbull!

To movedaway03: No it does not matter that you are caucasian, you are still an idiot. Kids kill these days and cops have to consider that. I seem to remember a 9 year old in Jonesboro planned an attack and killed several people. When I was a cop finding a gun on a 12 year old was not unusual.  

One of the things that really gets me about this is how the media keeps portraying an "outraged" community then all the meetings about it draw like 10-20 people, up to about a hundred, and a lot of those from out of town. Hardly a representative sample in a town of around 35,000. Of course controversy and strife sell papers so they will play it up. Must be nice to take remarks out of context, mislead, and just outright lie and have no accountability. Then they bash the hell out of people when their remarks about whatever downtrodden group is made public. They love the 1st amendment when they (the media) are saying things, but want to beat the hell out of anyone else who expresses whatever erroneous opinion they hold. The other real nice thing is what media coverage will do to potential investment in the area. We already lost Toyota due to the abysmal work force here and this crap will SURELY make new investment here likely. Just great. We already have 70 per cent of the town (black and white) "getting a check". This place will always be a shithole as long as everyone here does not pay taxes or otherwise work for a living. Of course you could create a 50,000 dollar a year job for everyone in the this town and half of the town will still hang out on a street corner because they "ain't got time for all that business" like having a boss or getting their ass out of bed in the morning.

Okay, the Justice Department ruled that Sammis did not violate Farrow's civil rights. Arkansas State Police announced that there was not enough evidence to prove Sammis did anything wrong.  Who else can we drag into this?  Obviously, even if one felt that the Arkansas State Police might be a bit biased, I doubt the Justice Department would be.  So will Ms. Farrow ever accept any responsibility for the actions of her child, or is it always going to be someone, anyone else's fault?  

Mnshadow53 (formerly known as Concerned Memphian)  

Did you see the pictures of the toy gun? I would have fired too.

Damn Delta, you NAILED it!

"   Bartlettman said:
I was shocked that Crawfordsville is still seperated by railroad tracks."
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He makes a good point - Memphis is separated by train tracks.  Coincidence? I think not.

But miz Farrow deserves that 125 million, she is a victim.  A victim of for the most part, her own people, the ones that wallow in self pity.  I know many blacks, who are embarassed as hell by most of their race, and those are the ones that I call my friends.  

Yes I have many black friends.....

say what you will.

I've lived in Memphis for 33 years.  No, it isn't the city it once was.  But, it's not because we live like it's 1960.  It's because insolence and gang violence have taken over where morals and manners used to reside.  It's a true effort and some people look at them like they are crazy, but I make my boys say "ma'am" and "sir" and when they don't, all I have to do is say "what'd you say?" and they pretty much immediately know to correct themselves.  Of course, manners are only a small part of it.  How we raise these kids will be how they act in the world.  It's too bad there are so many out there who think the world somehow owes them something.

Wow, I looked at the crime scene photos......that toy gun sure looked real to me!

I remember, it was not more than 5 or so years ago when memphis denied the fact there was a gang problem

please i have never seen a real gun with a red cap on the front,

@bartlettman what if farrow was white and was killed by a black officer who mistakenly thought the same thing about the gun would you have the same view about it, or are you just a undercover racist.

@ Coreyology, in the dark, one cannot see an orange cap....check it out for yourself.  Red is the same way.  And I am not a racist, just a realist.

You know watching those interviews Bailey acts like the cops were sitting in a deer stand over a cooler full of 40s of malt liquor waiting to shoot someone.

It was pitiful.  He could of at least made the video shots from a 3rd person point of view and the officers and the kids point of view.  You can't tell anything from them. Pitiful.

"@bartlettman what if farrow was white and was killed by a black officer who mistakenly thought the same thing about the gun would you have the same view about it, or are you just a undercover racist."
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First off, it most likely wouldn't have happened in a white neighborhood. The crime doesn't demand constant police surveillance and the crime level is much lower.  The cops wouldn't be expecting violence.  That being said if a white kid pulled a pistol he could end up dead too.

Supporting your point of view - the cops would be far less likely to believe a white kid was going to shoot them.  It is entirely believable that a young black male would shoot at them.

This could be a bunch of trigger happy cops with MP-5s looking for someone to shoot.  It probably was 2 cops, looking for a kid who was seen in a convenience store with a pistol.  Don't let your kid walk into convenience stores with a realistic looking pistol in his waistband.

@EASTMEMPHIS, can you simply answer the question, you went way off subject here,

My questions remain.  Why was DeAunta out late at night?  Why was he at a liquor store?  Why did he not have respect for the officers to do as he was told?  Why was he carrying a gun that looked real, whether it was in his hands or his pants?  Why isn’t his mother taking any responsibility for her part as a parent?

The new evidence that the Farrow’s attorneys have suddenly come out with after all these months seems phony to me.  If the evidence was so important to the case, it should have been presented immediately.  It is five months later, and all of a sudden, we are presented with this evidence?  What happened to full disclosure?  It was the attorney’s job to present this evidence.  No one can ask for something that they do not know exists.  As for the witnesses that are in the video, aren’t they guilty of impeding a police investigation?  If they had that information and did not give it to the police, that seems like a clear case of obstruction of justice to me.

As for a change of venue, if there is any additional racial strife in West Memphis, it has been caused by this case.  Everything has been made black and white and nothing has been said about personal responsibility.  Officer Sammis was shown on the news owning up to his responsibility.  I think it is time that the Farrows owned up to theirs.

the cousin is a joke!  i just watched 3 interviews which he was in and his story changes everytime.  the first taped interview he says that his friend/cousin was carrying a gun and had it in his hands.  this interview was taped at the police station with his father present.....then months later he says that his dead cousin never had a gun visable but had a coke and chips.  i think in believe his first statement to the police when he said, yes, he did have a gun in his hands.  so, what would make me think that all these new witness statements are credible?????  yea, i am sure they all changed their story too!  i am sure the family has told him to change his story in hopes of trying to profit off the death!  what a joke!!

East Memphis:
This is Memphis!  Crime is high in the black and in the white neighborhoods.  In case you didn't know it, there are two blacks for every white person in Memphis.  It would have happened in a "white" neighborhood.  I can tell you that for a fact.  I have visited my black friends and gotten in trouble with the police just for going to visit them.  The poilce thought that I was in the neighborhood to buy drugs.  I don't drink, don't smoke, and MOST CERTAINLY DON"T DO DRUGS!  I had a car full of their kids one time and was coming back from church.  I was stopped by a police officer.  I was not speeding either.  The BLACK officer questioned me for 20 minutes why I had five black children with me.  I finally had to show him the church bulleting and their art projects before he would let me go.  There was also the time that I was accussed of driving off from the pump in Collierville.  The cashiers, one black and one white, had taken the money from my friends daughter.  They put the money on the black man's pump and gave him change.  Because I was white they didn't think she was with me.  I happened to stop at the same gas station on my way home.  They called the police on me when I entered the store.  If I hadn't had pictures of the kids in my car, I would have probably ended up in jail for driving off.

So you see it does happen in reverse.  If it has happened to me that many times, I am sure it has happened to others.  

Right away this became a black & white issue before the evidence was put forth ! No matter who was wrong this was a tragedy because a young life is no more.I wasn't there that night like all of us but use some logic please.What parent lets their child play in a crime infested area ? If you are a policeman & someone regardless of race,age,sex pointed what appeared to be a gun @ you what would you do ? In a situation like that there is only 1 second to think ! I think the mother has some blame.No matter what,both the officer &  Deaunta's family are victims !

Unfortunately, this is a sad story for both sides. I hate the fact that everything is always a black and white issue. I doubt racism played a major part in this case but I do feel that the truth is not being told.

As for children comitting crimes, we all are responsible. Their are a lot of parents-black and white- who always feel that their child does nothing wrong and are always quick to come to the defense of the child. We say things like "My child is an honor student and he/she participates in various school activities." Even the smartest child can get caught up in criminal activity. We watch crime in our neighborhoods everyday and we turn the other cheek. Then when the neighborhood gets bad we pack up and move. We also paint this picture that if we move our child to the so-called better communities, they want get into trouble. Instead of utilizing the resources we have, we give up on our communities and let criminals run them down. I know we are talking about the Farrow case in West Memphis, but my point is that we need to stop pointing the finger at others and point to ourselves.

The Farrow family, Sharpton & the lawyer are just looking for some money .They know the kid was wrong as was the mother for allowing him out with a( real looking toy gun) at that time of night. If parents would teach their kids to do as told then this wouldn't have happened.
Maybe the mother, lawyer , sharpton need to stay in Washington marching 24/7 until they get that BIG CHECK.....

Hey posters, so sad to see this might become a white and black thing, I am a black professional woman in Memphis with a family and an understanding of losing a relative because of a policeman's fears... Juat wondering if any one here wondered what would happen if large numbers of black cops became fearful of white kids who are meth users and adult pedophiles and started justing them "BECAUSE THEY WERE IN FEAR OF THEIR LIVES"-- and were in line with their duty of a police officer and justified in killing them... NO DEATH OF A CHILD IS JUSTIFIED REMEMBER GOD DONES NOT ALLOW THE DEATH OF A CHILD TO GO LONG UNPUNISHED>>>>(SEE THE IRONY AND RACIAL STEREOTYPING IN MY STATEMENT")  Not fair is it!!!! so stop the silliness and let us all realize that someone's CHILD is ""DEAD"" regardless of what the cop thought ( he will surely have a lot of personal praying to do.. and spritual healing to justify killing that kid... also "WOULD HE SHOT A WHITE KID??? TWICE??? " Just a few thoughts from the other side of reason..
This is nothing to smirk about or be angry about certainly we all need to wonder these things or the table could turn and holy heck!! what to do then..........Black or white this is someone's baby someones brother cousin and friend and his death hurts many hundereds of people,whether u are just ignorant or just empathetic..... let keep this decent and not a (THE COP DID THE GOOD DEED blog) no he may have a slpit second to think and I pity him really,, but the CHILD IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!! WHY, cause a man who was terrified of a kid with a gun, shot first and asked questions later.... KILLING HIM , not wounding subdueing but KILLING HIM - as a mom my heart is barely beating hoping none of you on this blog ever get news that a cop killed your child........

Someone's child is killed by a police officer every day!  They kill someone's black, white, Asian, or Hispanic child every day.  WHY?!?  Because the child was not obeying the law or was not following directions.  The officers felt their lives and citizens lives were in trouble.  Suppose that the gun DeAunta had was real.  Suppose Simmis never shot him.  Suppose he let him go off and kill a family or rape and kill some innocent girl.  Don't tell me that he was only 12 and wouldn't do such a thing.  There have been children younger than that who have done things much worse.  They weren't all black children either.  Quite a few of them were WHITE!  There was the nine year old who raped three girls, two boys, and set a toddler on fire.  He had red hair, blue eyes, and the whitest of white skin!  You don't get any whiter than a redhead!  Maybe it is because of all those wonderful games his parents let babysit him instead of actually parent him.  Just like DeAunta's mother didn't parent him.  I am sorry, but I would never let my child out late at night to go and get a bag of chips, especially at a liqour store.  A 12 year old has no business inside a liquor store period.  

I seriously think this is all about the Benjamins.  It has been five months!  Everyone has said there was no wrong doing.  Yes it was a tragedy.  The only ones throwing stones are the ones on the Farrows side.  Officer Simmis is not saying anything.

The pure and simple fact is the truth hurts.  That is why they are arguing this so much.  It hurts that his mama didn't take parental responsibility for her child.  To me that is the same as walking straight into a mud puddle because you didn't look where you where going.  Then you blame the puddle because it didn't move out of your way.  Parents need to know where their children are and what they are doing.  If she had known, DeAunta would be alive today.

coreyology said:
please i have never seen a real gun with a red cap on the front,

@bartlettman what if farrow was white and was killed by a black officer who mistakenly thought the same thing about the gun would you have the same view about it, or are you just a undercover racist.

Yes I would have the same view....believe it or not.


BTW I watched those videos , 3 times, and if this is the evidence that J Bailey has then he is an idiot for thinking he has a case. That is the most conflicting bunch of drivel I have heard...

Sammis should not fear a trial, he would walk easily...

@ Lisa b I don't really understand this: NO DEATH OF A CHILD IS JUSTIFIED REMEMBER GOD DONES NOT ALLOW THE DEATH OF A CHILD TO GO LONG UNPUNISHED>>>>(SEE THE IRONY AND RACIAL STEREOTYPING IN MY STATEMENT")  I wish you could be a cop for a day in a place like West Memphis or Memphis.....white or black, I am sure your perspective would change.  And truly, at the risk of sounding harsh, I don't understand your post.  You claim to be an educated, professional woman, but I am an educated, professional woman myself, and your post makes no sense to me.  

shadow I would have to agree with you. It made no sense to me... I am wondering if this is a MCS and Lemoyne grad?

I am also an educated black professional woman.........no wait, I am a white dude, sorry!

If the mother of the child that was shot proceeds with a baseless lawsuit, I think the city of West Memphis and the state of Arkansas should counter-sue her to recoup any loss of resources that were spent on this case.  If she would have shown some parental responsibility instead of letting her child walk the streets late at night in a crime infested neighborhood while carrying what looks like a pistol, this incident would never have happened.  

I think people need to stop blaming the mother, this was just a tragic set of circumstances that could have come together with any other child in any other place. Kids do not think of the larger ramifications and consequences of their actions...for that matter neither do 90 per cent of adults. It would have made no difference whether the child was black or white. When you are in a deadly force situation (and I have been there) the only thing that goes through your mind is something along the lines of "oh ***." If a police officer can not defend himself when he feels threatened then who the hell is going to take that job? Thats the reason I left the profession. As far as shooting twice...well I have personally seen people fight for several minutes with 6 .45 rounds in the chest, and never got any worse than fair condition at the hospital. There is a documented case of a man surviving 29 hits from a 9mm, 17 of them to his torso. (he drove himself to the hospital) I also have seen tape of a man 21 feet from an officer armed with a knife...man charged officer and was shot 6 times in the sternum with a .357 magnum, and still stabbed the officer to death before he died. At autopsy he had no intact heart tissue, but was still able to fight for almost 45 seconds. You just never know what is going to happen, and that is an unfortuate fact of this crappy world we live in. The bottom line is you have your own family to get home to, and you are going to do what it takes to get there, and you might have 1/10th of second to make the decision you will live or die with. Sammis probably had about as much time as it took me to type 4 words, and I type 75+ a minute. People who have never been in a situation like that have NO CLUE what the hell they are talking about. I am glad to see the vast majority of people seem to support the police in this, gives me a little hope for the world. Another thing to consider is who is going to come help you when you are being robbed/raped/whatever if the cops can not do their job? Reverand AL? Jesse? Don't hold your breath. Yeah there are bad cops out there, but the ones what are stealing, selling dope, or whatever never make the news since they make sure to keep a low profile. Some of these officers get seen as "good" officers because they NEVER do anything controversal.

Much applause to mnshadow53 for their last post.  The words have been my thought process through this entire thing.  At age 44, I was not allowed to be in the streets alone.  My 8 year old, likewise, is accounted for at all times.  I have heard much finger pointing and much blame.....yet, nobody officially has placed blame on where it belongs.  Parents.  I often wonder had the officer been Black if there would be such an outcry....are we upset about a child being dead...or is the issue really over it being a white officer that shot him?  Being African American, I am the first to say that I have seen racism and hatred coming from BOTH sides in this incident (and even the election that recently took place in Memphis (that's a WHOLE other blog!!)).  We are just as guilty, in general, such as the snide racial statements made by a Black city council person in West Memphis to the police (the "tidy whitey" comment).  Had the police REMOTELY said something so vulgar to one of us, we would have called everyone but the CIA in an outcry.

Bottom line:  if my child is out at night doing whatever it is he's doing....in a neighborhood that has a reputation for being 'not so good' (I know first hand...I managed the apartment community years ago)....then whenever something happens, how can the parent (or anyone else) be SURE what actually happened?  If my child is not under my supervision, pulls a toy gun out at an officer of the law at night and that officer (black, white, or green) has to make a split decision, then it's MY fault for my not having my child under my supervision in the first place.

Hey mnshadow53, this is LisaB, and thanks for commenting, my post obviously written in hast and late last night, LOL... looks like I had a run on sentence thing going on, sorry for that,,,,didnt mean to confuse you. I should have checked my spelling before I posted, I guess in my old age the eyes are going out too LOL.... .. I think you were  curious about what I meant when I wrote;

"NO DEATH OF A CHILD IS JUSTIFIED, REMEMBER GOD DOES NOT ALLOW THE DEATH OF A CHILD TO GO LONG UNPUNISHED"     My nephew 12 was killed in Chicago 21 yrs ago "shot in the back, by a rookie, this kid was walking to his home from a game, 6pm in the evening "killed from mistaken identity-"black kid in a T-shirt" " the cop never apologized to the family because he was within his line of duty, no apology to the family and hundreds of people in our family who nearly could not bear the pain..the death of a child is too great, trust me, it is so painful your entire being is numbed, faith is truly all you will have left if it ever happens to you..,.   The family perception was, that no one was willing to admit any wrong doing for fear of lawsuits etc, admission of guilt etc,etc... However this cop has since killed himself, for whatever reason, and later found to had been in violation of many peoples' civil rights black and white at more than one police dept he had worked for across the nation, his sorry work history is proof of that......although this is truly painful and surely the embarressment if nothing else to his family and his loved ones-  It is just a belief i have, nothing personal here.. I am not into personal attacks to bloggers or others unless they really need to be corrected .."OTHERWISE  IT SHOWS NO CLASS" and narrow mindedness......


Quote:
""Children have a special place in God’s heart and anyone who harms a child is inviting God’s wrath upon Him. Jesus welcomed little children to His side (Mark 10:14). Jesus had harsh words for anyone who would cause a child to stumble, “But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.”  

And anyone thanks for reading!! You take care....

Here is the real problem let's just say I have my gun carry permit, I have the right to walk with a concealed weapon, if I have to worry about an officer shooting me in a situation like this I might as well treat these trigger happy hypocritical ,bigots as the enemy and give them no chance and fire on them with no regards as they drive down the streets. This man mission for that day was to go into that neighborhood and condemn any group of Black Man with no compassion. I guess now that I fear for my life every time I see a west memphis police officer or any man with a concealed weapon that don't look like me I should shoot first and take away their comfort of being able to  ride were they want or walk.

Do you display and teach this type venom to your kids? If you do then I hope when they are gunned down, and they will be, by someone, then you will have yourself tried as the killer.  You are the bigot here.

and yes, you should walk in fear................

hey i know, you must be one of those crediable "witnesses" that J Bailey found. If so I am shopcked. I would not have thought any of them would have be able to work a computer.  They were a joke, kinda like your statement.

Deaunte Farrow, bless his little heart, fatally shot and killed, like a dog, poor baby, God I wish I knew more, was he pointing the toy gun at the officer probably not, just had it on him is enough...... poor baby, he had to be so scared and confused.... surely the cries for his mom as he was dying in pain, are a nightmare for those who saw it.... My uncles work at FCI memphis and a few friends and family are cops here in memphis and atlanta and some of them have told me how much easier it seems  to them, how their white coworkers decide to fire hundreds of shots to kill a black person QUICK!!!!, they all say it stems from a very deep fear and loathing these white males have towards black people in general and wont admit it,  and white cops are soooooo afraid of black people, those words are coming from black men and women who are cops...... It is almost becoming twice as likely to be a health hazard and extremely dangerous to be around a white cop while black  ..There are too many local /national incidents to discuss this rationally, but this is not about the race card or Al Sharpton, he is not the spokesperson for every one, he has some good points about unfairness in the justice system, and as a black woman, lots of his talk falls on my deafend ears, so lets not assume he speaks for every black person in the nation, just like David Duke does not represent all of white america, but the white girl who drowned all her kids, all she had to say, is a black man kidnapped the kids and the guy in Boston who shot his pregnant wife said a black guy did it, whew I could go on and on,(that is the sad part i can go on and on about how blacks are stereotyped to an extreme degree and that is frightning) but stereo types help none of us... sooner or later some blacks are going to start saying a white man kidnapped my child to sexually abuse her/him cause he is pedophile, (cause I didnt do it) or some trailer park government check type white trash is cooking meth out back in the field,or worse in the house where the kids are......(cause i didnt do it)  to get off the hook.. Anyways,  not to say all of us, shouldnt be carefiul , I wouldnt want to be a cop, I know plenty of them and they do have a hard job, stressful,  but gunning down a baby, Damn, I dont think I would be worth two dead flies, if I had to live with having done that......My soul could never be the same and I would have to apologize to the family... especially if it was not malicious or racially motivated,  or I wasnt a COWARD, and it was just a terrible and honest mistake, I would have to apologize..... Just the way I feel.....

The question was about the child having a gun. Now it is about where that gun was. Did Deaunte really point the gun or was it tucked in his pants? I know officers arrest people that have weapons on them everyday. As long as their hands are up they should not be shot. I also wonder if we were in Southwind or Germantown and a 5'9'' white boy did what Deaunte did, would the officer have the same reaction. I also wonder if the child's white mother would be doing the same thing as Mrs. Farrow? Would the white mother be classified as a bad mother? I am not trying to cause confusion but I really want people to think about this. Remember the little white boy that got hit while riding his bike down the rural road. I haven't heard anyone say the parent should have been supervising the child and that she needs to teach her child not to ride his bike on the dangerous street. I am not a racist or prejudice person, but I notice that a lot of people are.

PREVIOUSLY POSTED UNDER LISAB---

Right you are MISSANN and :

God forbid a black child walk into Germantown High school and shoot up 30 kids with  M16's rifles, would his mom and dad be bad parents , nope ,his sick internet connections supplys him with such weapons of mass destructiion or is he just misunderstood and depressed.... and cant cope with society which always seems to be the case,, poor little serial killers.........yeah right  ,no he would be riddled with 500 bullets before he gets a chance to blow his own head off............perspectives are something else.....

@ Lisa, thank you for the clarification.  I appreciate that!  I understand the late at night not being able to see thing too!  :-)  

On a serious note, please let me offer condolences to you, and your family, on the loss of your precious nephew.  One never gets over the loss of a child.  I am sorry too that a cop shot him in the back.  There is no excuse for that!  Terrible things happen.  I am sure we can all agree on that.  

However, I think this situation was totally different.  This was a child who should not have been out late at night unsupervised.  He was carrying what appeared to be a real gun.  He was, presumably, old enough and smart enough to know better than to point that gun at a police officer.  If he wasn't, then he DEFINITELY should have been better supervised!  And, as hard as it may sound, I DO blame his mother for allowing him to be out at that time of night alone.  Heck, I don't even go out at night much by myself anymore.  I cannot imagine allowing my child to be out!

But there are no winners here, just losers.  That mother lost her son.  That cop, I imagine, will carry the guilt and sadness of taking that child's life to his grave.  Most of all, the black people of West Memphis, who already are falling behind in so many ways, have fools like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson "inspiring" then to rally and march and hate.  Where are these so called ministers, self professed men of God when their people really need them?  You never see the likes of Sharpton or Jackson when there is no photo opportunity.  Why aren't they working behind the scenes to help their people become more educated and employable?  Why aren't they going around preaching the Christian ideals the say they believe in?  That, ladies and gentlemen, is what I would like to know.          

MissAnn and Lisa,


yes it is about race, always is.   You sees it be like dis, those white honkie cracker cops just be a looking at kiling a poor black chrillun


Get real, listen to the evidence, including the interviews posted here.

I heard not one word that convinced me of anything but this is all about getting rich. I would bet that if most of those people on the tape could make money by killing this little thug in training, then they would have blown him away too.

Mama probably would have too. And guess what, had he pointed a toy gun at me....12 rds of 9mm would have been in him.

Okay Lisa, now I am disappointed in you.  I thought you were reasonable and rational.  Now you are spewing the racist, hate crap too.  <<sigh>> Between Lisa, Miss Ann and Carpetbagger, it doesn't look like there will be much more intelligent discussion on this subject.

@Carpetbagger, do you know what a carpetbagger really was?  If so, I doubt you would be proud to use that as your screen name!    

I think the officers practiced good gun control!

I am trying my best NOT to begin posting in my sarcastic manner that many of you know and love...but it's hard..........

Hey there again mnshadow53 ;

You are so right, but no this is not different..... a kid is dead.... and the controversy is the same white cop black kid..with confusion all around and nashing of teeth.......

But I do agree, with you on the clergy and whatnot,, however to help you understand some of us in the black community better, most black people do have jobs and lead purposeful lives really they do.... dont let CNN fool you any more... most black people are educated, dont let the Memphis city school or education naysayers/dividers hype confuse you... my daughter goes to Ridgeway high and has a 4.66 GPA as all her friends black white and jewish asian etc.....and will be attending Spellman come 2009....

Some blacks as well as some whites and other races make personal decisions to avoid being educated or become productive citizens, they prefer to become drug dealers /meth cookers (black and white, peodephiles, murderers, thieves and god knows what else,  I used to work for the state of tn DHS and i can tell you just as many whites in east tn receive public benefits as black in Tn and immigrants and drain this system to the point of breaking, some kids parents refuse to take the responsibility to see to it that there kids (BLACK AND WHITE) are trained and are mindful and receive the best education available to them....  

But nontheless let us not bring the christian thing in, the blog would implode (LOL)
as there are many different christians in the world with opposing views,,, catholic vs this, methodist vs this etc, etc,,

Again it is nice to hear from you, and exchange your views , you do seem to be the only experienced and most reasonable person here...

Take care.....{Pray}

It is a historical shame i tell you,for all of us,  but I dont pity them, you are a realist and that is just how it is.....   I can surely tell you as long as adult sef aggrandizement and greed are the examples for all our children, we dont stand a fighting chance.... sterness and decent upbring is near mandatory.......

Sorry for that mnshadow53, you mean intelligent or one sided????

Since it is about race? wouldnt you care to hear my side???? I could tell you more than you know about my side as I assume that is what you doing... still a democratic blog I hope...

"NO DEATH OF A CHILD IS JUSTIFIED REMEMBER GOD DONES NOT ALLOW THE DEATH OF A CHILD TO GO LONG UNPUNISHED>>>>(SEE THE IRONY AND RACIAL STEREOTYPING IN MY STATEMENT")  Not fair is it!!!! so stop the silliness and let us all realize that someone's CHILD is ""DEAD"" regardless of what the cop thought ( he will surely have a lot of personal praying to do.. and spritual healing to justify killing that kid... also "WOULD HE SHOT A WHITE KID??? TWICE??? " Just a few thoughts from the other side of reason.. "
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I will say it again - in the past nineteen years one kid with a toy gun has been shot by Memphis AREA police.  In the same period ~2500 (mostly blacks) have been killed mostly by young black males.

Where is the proportionate outrage??

I saw where there was a crime rally the other day.  First in a long while.  Where is the support of true black activists like Stevie Moore?  How much face time does he get?

I used to work for the state of tn DHS and i can tell you just as many whites in east tn receive public benefits as black in Tn


do not believe you. in pure #s maybe, but as a per capita number, not buying it.

Yes, a kid is dead.....and that IS the tragedy.  But this is just the latest in a line of tragedies that is reinforced daily by lack of education, lack of earning ability and lack of desire to be a productive member of society.  Believe me Lisa, you don't have to educate me about the black community.  I live in North Memphis in a predominantly black area.  I see what society has wrought every day.  I see good black people and good white people, but the ones getting all the press are the criminals and idiots...and believe me, there are a bunch of them, BLACK AND WHITE!  

Welfare Rolls Show Growing Racial and Urban Imbalance

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Demographics: The Unlevel Playing Field
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By JASON DePARLE

ASHINGTON -- As the welfare rolls continue to plunge, white recipients are leaving the system much faster than black and Hispanic recipients, pushing the minority share of the caseload to the highest level on record.

White, black and Hispanic recipients are all leaving welfare at unprecedented rates. But the disproportionately large exodus of whites has altered the racial balance in a program long rife with racial conflict and stereotypes.

The legacy of those stereotypes makes the discussion of race and welfare an unusually sensitive one. In the past, advocates and scholars have taken pains to note there were more white families on welfare than blacks. But that is no longer the case.

Blacks now outnumber whites. The Hispanic share of the rolls is growing the fastest. And black and Hispanic recipients combined outnumber whites by about 2-1. In addition, the remaining caseload is increasingly concentrated in large cities.

The New York Times

Some analysts warn that the growing racial and urban imbalance could erode political support for welfare, especially when times turn tight. More immediately, the changing demographics suggest that states may need new strategies as they serve those left behind, like recipients who do not speak English.

Consider the changing nature of the New York City caseload, which is larger than that of every state but California. Since the city's rolls peaked in March 1995, the number of whites on welfare has fallen 57 percent. That is nearly twice the 30 percent rate of decline for blacks. And it is nearly eight times the decline for Hispanic recipients, which is just 7 percent, lagging the declines for blacks and whites as it has nationwide. The city's welfare rolls are now 5 percent white, 33 percent black and 59 percent Hispanic.

Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Michigan -- most of the states with large welfare populations like these have seen the number of whites on welfare declining faster than those of minorities. So have other states with marked caseload declines, like Wisconsin, Massachusetts and New Jersey.

The growing minority domination of the rolls is new, little-noticed and as yet largely unexplained. Most officials reacted with surprise when presented with the figures, which were compiled in an analysis of recent state data by The New York Times.

"Good grief!" said Rep. E. Clay Shaw Jr., R-Fla., who served as the primary author of the 1996 federal law that imposed time limits and work requirements. "That's definitely something we should look at. We don't want to leave one or two ethnic groups behind."

"I'm stunned," said Rep. Robert Matsui, D-Calif., who is among the legislators most knowledgeable about the program. Matsui counts himself among those who have fought "a perception that welfare was a minority program. We tried to show that wasn't the case."

There are a number of potential explanations for the changing racial demographics. They include possible discrimination by employers or by landlords in neighborhoods near jobs. In addition, unpublished data from the Census Bureau, prepared for The New York Times, suggest that minority recipients were significantly more disadvantaged than their white counterparts when the rolls peaked in 1994.

On average, they had less education, lower incomes and more children. They were less likely to have ever been married, a statistic that predicts lower rates of child support and lessened chances of leaving the rolls through a subsequent marriage. Perhaps most important, minority recipients were much more likely to live in poor, central city neighborhoods, far from the job growth that rings many cities.

Race is intertwined with place. Only 31 percent of white welfare families lived in central cities, the Census data showed. But 63 percent of Hispanic welfare families lived in those job-scarce areas, as did 71 percent of blacks. This may also mean minorities have faced less programmatic pressure to leave the rolls. Most states instituted their tough new rules outside the big cities, in regions with stronger economies and more responsive bureaucracies.

While the minority domination of the rolls could revive negative stereotypes, it comes at a time of unusual goodwill toward recipients of all races. With caseloads falling at a startling pace -- for minorities as well as whites -- taxpayers seem well-satisfied with the new ethos of time limits and work demands.

Flush with federal funds, states are investing in a variety of new employment services. And facing labor shortages, many corporations are courting a welfare population they once took care to avoid.

Citing that optimistic climate, some minority leaders say they do not expect welfare programs to attract new racial hostility. "If we had had this conversation six or seven years ago, it would have been a real concern," said Dennis Archer, the mayor of Detroit, who is black. But as jobs increase and poverty declines, even in the inner cities, Archer said, a racial backlash is unlikely. "Even those insensitive to minorities aren't willing to just turn their back and withdraw services just because of race," Archer said.

Others were less sanguine. Rep. Donald Payne, D-N.J., warned that the growing minority share of the rolls could erode support for welfare spending and reinforce racial bias in general.

"Wedge-issue politicians always use welfare as an issue," said Payne, who served as chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus from 1994 to 1996. "There's no question that stereotyping will expand. Before, it was misinformation. It might even now go to codify the stereotyping."

The most recent national figures on welfare and race are 17 months old. They showed that the number of white families on welfare had declined 25 percent since the rolls peaked in 1994. By contrast, the number of blacks families fell 17 percent and that of Hispanic families, 9 percent. But those differences appear to have widened in recent months, as the caseload declines have accelerated.

The New York Times surveyed 15 programs -- 14 states and New York City -- which account for nearly 70 percent of the nation's welfare population. Among them, only California had a sharper decline among blacks than whites -- 40 percent for blacks versus 31 percent for whites. The Hispanic decline in California was slower, 22 percent.

In all other programs, the number of whites on welfare declined faster than those of black or Hispanic recipients. And in more than two-thirds of the programs studied, the white rate of decline outpaced both the black and Hispanic rates by at least 10 percentage points. In Wisconsin, where the caseload declines have been most dramatic, an astonishing 96 percent of white recipients have left the rolls. (Black recipients declined 74 percent and Hispanic recipients, 78 percent.)


The result is an added imbalance in a program that already had a disproportionate share of minorities. By early 1997, blacks accounted for 37 percent of the nation's welfare caseload, though they are just 13 percent of the general population. Hispanics accounted for 22 percent of the welfare rolls, though they represent 11 percent of the general population. Whites, by contrast, accounted for just 35 percent of the welfare rolls, though they are 73 percent of the general population. That is the smallest white percentage of the rolls since the federal government began compiling annual figures in 1973.

As the rolls grow more dominated by minorities, they are also more concentrated in large cities. Detroit, Miami, St. Louis, Cleveland, Baltimore, Milwaukee and Philadelphia all saw their caseloads fall. But in each of those cities, the declines lagged the state average.

As a result, 48 percent of Pennsylvania's recipients now live in Philadelphia, up from 38 percent four years ago. In Wisconsin, virtually all the state's welfare recipients -- 85 percent -- now live in Milwaukee, up from 39 percent a decade ago.

But the urban lag has not been universal. Atlanta, Boston, Los Angeles and Bridgeport, Conn., have all cut their rolls at a pace that matches the rest of their respective states. And the declines in New York City, Chicago and Newark have lagged the state average by only a small percentage.

Among the most striking trends is the growing Hispanic share of the caseloads. As recently as 1983, Hispanic recipients accounted for just 12 percent of the nation's caseload, about half their current share. Some of that rise is due to the growing Hispanic share of the general population, but Hispanic recipients have also been leaving the welfare rolls at lower rates.

There are several possible explanations. Hispanic recipients lag blacks and whites in education levels and language skills. In addition, they tend to have larger families than white recipients. And some analysts suggest that Hispanic women face greater cultural pressures to stay at home with their children.

Citing the prevalence of language barriers, some advocates have argued that Hispanic recipients need more training, especially in basic language skills. "I would view this as a wake-up call, that the system is not working as it is supposed to," said Charles Kamasaki, vice president of the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic civil rights group. "We had actually predicted that there would be a less smooth transition for Hispanics."

But most states have adopted a "work first" approach that emphasizes immediate job placements. "We don't recognize a language barrier as something that should keep someone from working in this economy," said *** Powers, a spokesman for the Massachusetts Department of Transitional Assistance. "Non-English-speaking people have been coming to this country and finding work for years."

The Census data cast new light on the obstacles that minority recipients face. The data are based on interviews with 5,400 welfare recipients in March 1994. One racial difference involves education. Among Hispanic recipients, 64 percent lacked a high school degree, as did 40 percent of the blacks. By contrast, only 33 percent of the white recipients lacked a high school degree. And those differences may understate the actual disparities in skills, since whites on average attend better schools than minorities.

A second difference is that minority women are less likely to get married. About 61 percent of the black women on welfare had never been married. About 40 percent of the Hispanic women had never been married and 31 percent of the whites.

Researchers are uncertain why black women marry at lower rates, but economics may play a role. William Julius Wilson, a Harvard sociologist, has argued that high rates of unemployment among black men makes them less appealing as potential spouses. Shaw, the Florida Republican, has proposed spending $2 billion over the next five years to raise the employment and marriage rates of welfare fathers.

A third difference is that minority women have larger families. Just 20 percent of white welfare recipients had more than two children, the Census data show. But the figure for blacks and Hispanics was nearly twice as high, 38 percent. Large families make it harder to find child care and reduce the economic rewards of working, since baby-sitting bills are higher.

A fourth explanation focuses on geography. The Census data show 64 percent of black recipients lived in Census tracts where at least a fifth of the population was poor. The figure for Hispanic recipients was also very high, 55 percent. But for whites it was just 21 percent.

That not only suggests that black and Hispanic people live farther from jobs. It may also mean they are less likely to have accumulated the work experience that many employers prize. "A lot of the people who have been on the rolls for the longest period of time have no one to vouch for them," said Bruce Katz, an expert on central cities at the Brookings Institution, a Washington research organization.

A fifth disadvantage can be seen in the Census data. Minority recipients started out poorer. About 74 percent of black and 72 percent of Hispanic recipients spent the entire year in poverty, compared with 63 percent of whites. Given broader income trends, it follows that white recipients may also find it easier to turn to more prosperous relatives for help.

Among the unknowns is whether the racial imbalance will grow or diminish. "The big question is whether this is who leaves first, or who leaves ever," said Christopher Jencks, a Harvard sociologist. Like some others, Jencks warns that "the more black and Hispanic the program becomes, the more political pressure there is to cut back."

Then again, he notes, "most people already thought that it was all black and Hispanic. So it may not make as much difference as you might at first think."

facts for you!

@ Lisa, you may be right about one sided rather than intelligent comment....my apologies for that comment.  I guess I am getting a little emotional about this subject.  I just hate that it always seems to come down to race in this part of the country.  Where would all this outrage be if a black cop shot a black kid or a white cop shot a white kid?  Heck, where would the outrage be if a black cop shot a white kid?  There wouldn't be any!    

previously under LisaB
'to mnshadow53

Nor do we hear about Godfrey Easter or many other activists in america, some are too dividing and have financial personal agendas as well as Al Sharpton -so the activisits are not our problem, no black person i know cares about anything they say MOST OF THE TIME" but white people seem to think we do... shame shame-- to assume so much of us...

But again we are all entitled to our opinions, though I will still not attack anyone personally here... or be baited to do such a tired chiidish thing.... however i appreciate the concern we all have.... It is critical as adults here we get thru this and learn from these terrible examples we KEEP SEEING they are the same and at some point something has to be said...

previously under LisaB
'to mnshadow53

Nor do we hear about Godfrey Easter or many other activists in america, some are too dividing and have financial personal agendas as well as Al Sharpton -so the activisits are not our problem, no black person i know cares about anything they say MOST OF THE TIME" but white people seem to think we do... shame shame-- to assume so much of us...

But again we are all entitled to our opinions, though I will still not attack anyone personally here... or be baited to do such a tired chiidish thing.... however i appreciate the concern we all have.... It is critical as adults here we get thru this and learn from these terrible examples we KEEP SEEING they are the same and at some point something has to be said...

?????? to

  mnshadow53

Never any hard feeling, I feel your sincerity and pain,

just  like you I was raised very well,
I was raised on Chelsea in North Memphis welcome to my world-- says it all  huh??


Managed to get my education work and become financially secure and make my mama proud...

  mnshadow53 said:
@ Lisa, you may be right about one sided rather than intelligent comment....my apologies for that comment.  I guess I am getting a little emotional about this subject.  I just hate that it always seems to come down to race in this part of the country.  Where would all this outrage be if a black cop shot a black kid or a white cop shot a white kid?  Heck, where would the outrage be if a black cop shot a white kid?  There wouldn't be any!    
November 21, 2007 1:43 PM  



Absolutly right....

Lisa are you outraged about the Christian – Newsom case?

to   Bartlettman

OMG yes I am , Mr Eric Boyd should be tried in Knox County, period ,he didnt help kill those kids,  but, his tail should be under the jail 6 feet and the key thrown away for decades...

He should not have helped anyone, practically attempt to get away with such horrible murders and the crimes they committed....

  to; Bartlettman

Those kids parents have lost all hope and are suffering and faith is all they may have  along with the support we all know they need....my heart hurts bad.....

The thugs need to be executed today!!!  and I am sure the rallies are not racially motivated?? but are motivated by injustice,,, But sometimes justice needs to be heard.....on all sides - hope u agree...

yes, with that statement I will agree

To the Farrow and Sammis familys ,I am beating a path to church, in dillegent prayer that we all do the right thing and the healing begins TRULY< and we learn from this and not have any more examples to learn from;

where as a baby someones neice nephew, cousin sister brother or other is killed....

where no other child,

black white, hispanic or other has to die in haste or mistakenly or based on any stereotype or fiction or imagined rationale or ignorance or misguidance or and as an afterthought and create rage and hatred and fear and visceral generalizations whether they are unfounded or not....

My granny used to the term sometimes that "peace be still" We need to be still and listen and learn and hope....... I know all too well what she meant....

I hope all of you have a wonderful Holiday......


Pray

I must agree with many of the bloggers...the race card is not the focus.  It is a terrible thing to have a child shot down in the prime of his life or for a mother to outlive her son.  However, the facts still remain that in a split second decision one life was changed and another destroyed.  The officer has taken responsibility for his action and he will have to live with his guilt and decision: however, mom needs to forgive him too and take some responsibility for faults in the situation.   Two wrong dont make a right and neither does turning a city upside with media blasts about it being hunting season on black children.

"And He arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea,
Peace, be still.
And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm"
(Mark 4:39)

Although I feel this is a GREAT tradegy, I do feel the officer thought his life and the life of his partner was in question. Police officers have a split second to determine the correct line of action in a life or death situation. The public and the media have months and months to review and critique the way situations play out.

Second, police officers DO NOT fire warning shots at all. This could have caused MORE harm than good. If a warning shot was fired, where would the stray bullet go? Into a house where a sleeping child is? Possibly. Police officers are not trained to shoot to kill either, they are trained to stop the threat and a "double tap" of the weapon is a common way to train. It is taught in the academy that way and in training.

Third, it was stated that there was very little light. Both the officer and the the victim's cousin both stated that there was a gun involved, even if it is a toy gun. In low light and in a VERY stressful situation, a very real threat was perceived and an action was taken.

I do believe that EVERYONE would agree that this is a VERY tragic event. One that hopefully will never have to be played out again. ALL members involved have been greatly effected by what happened. Let's just pray that everyone involved will be able to heal in time.

There was no gun.  It was only a bag of chips and a soda.  The cousin says he had a toy gun.  The mom says (on the news tonight) he had no gun. The uncle, a representative, is suggesting new laws controlling toy guns (from what I've read).

Bottom line, after reading all responses:  Officers have to make a split second decision whether Black, White, Green or Purple.  Parents need to have their children in the house, as we are all actually speculating about what happened because none of us were there.  Officers get gunned down across the nation daily.  Is there as much outcry?  Do Rev. Sharpton and Jackson speak up then?  If the shooting was not justified and the officer was trigger happy, how do we equate that because of the difference in race it was automatically a racial issue?

I have sympathy for the family.  Time to let it rest, however.  I put myself in the officer's place tonight (mentally).  I'm in my driveway with a handgun for protection strapped to my side.  Someone (remember they were at a stake out in the first place) appears in the dark with what appears to be a gun.  How much conversation do I have with that person before allowing them to shoot ME while I'm trying to figure out if it's a toy gun.

I still say we live in a day of 'not accepting responsibility'.  Moms.  Dads.  Know where your children are and have them in at a certain time of night....and perhaps this type of thing will never happen again while we as parents speculate (and keep changing our own confusing stories) as to the actual events that took place that night.

while i feel for this childs mother, i am finding it hard, to now believe the police planted, a gun on her son. The young man that was with her son. stated in two interviews, her son had a toy gun in his waistband. Also i think its really ignorant to make every issue about race. only narrow minded people, think everything is about race when its not. I was so hoping Barlettman was kicked off, and not allowed to make any comments. i also find it hard to believe in your above comment, you have any friends that are black. If you did, you would not spend time making negative comments that are unproductive, and most of the time have nothing to do with the subject matter, but rather a reason to harper on race. I think Ms Farrow, should stop with the media circus, take responsibility for her neglect, of her son. by allowing him to be out at that time of night. To now play the blame game, to keep from owning up to her fault, allowed me to no longer support her, in her conquest or justice. I don't think any of us will know what really happen besides the media editing and take on what really happen, as for the officer, if he truly believes he was right in his action, then he should have his job back.

p.s my son served in Iraq, upon his return to the states, when he was able to talk about it. He told us when you are in an enviroment where you don't know when and where danger is coming from, their first reaction was to draw their weapons, if  one, two or three persons. did not stop when they were told in their own language, while trying to approach a military post. while not one of us can say for sure what happen in this case, i understand the real threat this officer though he was engaged in. My son said he took alot of lives. and no matter what he cannot and get over, the fact it was still a life.

So hyprocrite, ( Bart-man) are you saying now that those would be the actions of a Killer>>>> my post. Look people don't argue with idiocy here the Facts are clear this was a Murder of an innocent child. And as you say live by the Gun die by the gun, respect is earned not given,shooting an innocent person and hidiing behind a crooked good ole boy system and shooting a person and hiding behind a tree is the same. MURDER

@ Carpetbagger, could you explain your post a little better.  I do not understand what you are trying to say.  

I have previously posted as Pretty23, Bartlettman, just to let you know who I am. I don't know what happened. I was just bringing up the fact that there is racial tensions within some people. I am not taking up for anyone. We know that the child should not have been out this time of night. That's one thing. The events that led to his death is another. I feel like someone is hiding something. You know very well that I am not taking up for this little boy. I just feel like something is not right about the officer. I don't play the race card, but I will be a dummy to say that when cops see our black boys walking at night they don't think they are suspect, but when the white boys are walking downtown jumping on people no one does anything to them. I have witnessed this with my own two eyes so say what you want. I am not excuses criminal behavior, but I know how it is to be harassed by cops. An officer asked my brother would he run if they got out the car. He said no. They got out the car and patted my brother down when he was walking down the street at 2:00 pm in the summer time minding his own business. He does not do drugs and does not sell them either. Now say what you like.

MissAnn

MissAnn

Miss ann

Glad to know its you. Yes I will admit that I would be a lot more careful around black kids than white. If I were a cop I would probably be accused of profiling. You have to admit that in a city were the majority of the crime, a vast majority, is committed by blacks this would seem wise.  If I were in a hispanic dominated city, I am sure that I would look more at them than others. The reason is really not because of race, it is because statistics would warrant this.  After 9/11  survey was taken and a vast majority stated that profiling Arabic was prudent. Blacks surveyed  were overwhelming in favor of profiling. Why? Everyone knows the answer, it was the right thing to do.

When the crime rate, the black on black crime rate falls, then maybe, just maybe things will change. Remember that black cops profile just as often as white cops.

Ask them, they will tell you that they fear the black youth more than the white youth.

It IS tragic a child was killed, but it would be just as tragic if Deaunte grew up, killed someone and became a menace to everyone in West Memphis. Would it have happened, more that likely yes.

The most tragic part is not the shooting. It is that many people are seeing this as a way to get money. I would lay odds that if I were to walk up to J Bailey, Ms Farrow and say, here is 125 million, if you want it just say the cop was right and should have killed Deaunte. I would bet any amount that they would be singing Erik Sammis praises for ridding the street of a gangster.

Guess what, Rev Jackson, and Rev Al would do the same.

 CarpetBagger said:
So hyprocrite, ( Bart-man) are you saying now that those would be the actions of a Killer>>>> my post. Look people don't argue with idiocy here the Facts


You smoking something?

Bailey,Javier Michael, a Memphis attorney, entered into an Agreed Order and Conditional Guilty Plea which was entered by the Tennessee Supreme Court on May 27, 2004, effective January 2, 2004.    The Agreed Order placed Javier Michael Bailey on probation for a period of four (4) years and eleven (11) months after serving an actual suspension of thirty (30) days, which Bailey served beginning January 2, 2004 through February 2, 2004, during all of which Bailey shall continue to be monitored by the Tennessee Lawyers’ Assistance Program (TLAP) as set forth in the TLAP Monitoring Advocacy Agreement. (May 27, 2004)

strawberrri the flashmarket is not a liquid store...
do you research
his mom is not a bad parent

strawberrri the flashmarket is not a liquid store...
do you research
his mom is not a bad parent

strawberrri the flashmarket is not a liquid store...
do you research
his mom is not a bad parent

what the heck is a liquid store?????  And if the mom was a good parent, her son would still be alive!  

LOL @ Amazed

LOL @ why?????  Not only what is a liquid store, but hey why???? do YOUR research! Learn to use the English language correctly!  

I think you meant to say "The Flash Market is not a liquor store.  Do your research."